Since 1965, when Thomas Lovejoy began exploring biodiversity in the Amazon, he has worked to defend ecosystems against human impact. Mitchell Joachim creates human habitats and transportation systems — and believes that ecology can inform a new, more resilient, ethos of design. When the two met recently in Manhattan, the ideas flew: from victory gardens to vertical farms, senators in the jungle to students toting trash. And from their discussion, a critical question emerged: Are we a society of Homer Simpsons
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